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My son's anti-viral experience

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High Dose Vitamin A Protocol

[To address measles virus] For more information on this protocol written by a medical doctor, click here.

For my son's experience specific to vitamin A, see the link above, scroll down to the second half.

Other anti-viral I did at the same time as high dose vitamin A

[NOTE: Viruses are not technically "alive", so any reference I make to "viral die off" or "killing virus" is not technically correct. I have tried to use the term "eliminate the virus". Many medical professionals prefer to use the term "suppress the virus".]

I had also given #3 and #4 the OLE when I was giving it to #2. When I removed it from #2, I also removed it from #3 and #4. #2 showed no problems with it removed. #3 and #4 had not shown any changes when I was giving it. However, when I removed it, #3 and #4 both exploded in major skin rashes, and #4 also had goo in her eye, which she had not had since about round 50 of chelation. So I started back the OLE for them. #3 has had a lingering skin rash, which was *almost* gone with chelation and addressing various other food and supplement issues, but was still lingering in a small amount and was much more pronounced when OLE was removed. Now it is gone. #4 new skin rash is gone now also, plus the goo is gone from her eye.

During this time, my #2 developed the vitamin A toxicity rash at the 10,000 IU per day dose, so I reduced to 5000 IU. This worked for a few weeks, then the rash appeared again. So I reduced to 2500 IU per day CLO. This is really amusing to me, that my son who had major visual stims for basically the first 7 years of his life, now has no stims and can only tolerate 2500 IU per day! In addition to the rash, my son will also be slightly hyper and begin his visual stims when he has too much vitamin A. Very strange.

The Lauricidin arrived on January 3. I had been experimenting with the OLE, and the rashes come and go depending on how much OLE I give to #3 and #4. I will drop the OLE for now and try the Lauricidin for the rash issue.

#2 now has the vitamin A toxicity rash, slight hyper, and return of visual stims with 2500 IU of CLO. Very very very very strange. I will now try the 1250 IU CLO.

Other anti-viral

After discovering my son apparently needed olive leaf extract [OLE] in addition to the high dose vitamin A protocol to get rid of his measles virus, I decided to aggressively consider anti-viral interventions.

Basically, I had added OLE to #2's protocol, and it helped eliminate measles virus. I had also given OLE to #3 and #4, "just because", and I did not notice anything different, so I removed it. BIG DIFFERENCE! Both #3 and #4 developed major skin issues. So they must have had an underlying viral issue. I added back OLE for all three of these kids.

On the advice of many people, I purchased a jar of Lauricidin, which is supposed to be one of the best anti-virals currently on the market. Here is my family's experience so far, we have used it since January 2.

On January 3, I dropped the OLE and gave Lauricidin, starting at 1 pellet 2x per day for #3 and #4, and 4 pellets for #2. The rash issues of #3 and #4 came back, plus #4 had green goop in her eye again, which she has not had for about a year, since it was cleared by chelation. I gradually increased the dose until where we were earlier this past week, #3 and #4 were using 15 pellets 3x per day, #2 is using one scoop 3x per day.

#4 -- Issues when OLE was first removed were goopy green eye discharge and major red rash [she called it a "scratch" which hurt her] on the bottom of her thigh, plus several dry patches of skin on her legs. As I increased the Lauricidin, her eye goop increased to the point where she could not see out of that eye, her rashes sort-of decreased. Giving enzymes with the Lauricidin appeared to help somewhat. I added back OLE, her eye goop seemed to decrease, her rashes significantly decreased but still there. I dropped the Lauricidin earlier this week, kept the OLE [and am increasing it], her eye goop is now almost entirely gone [clear discharge right now, but decreasing], her rashes are significantly reduced, dry patches still there.

#3 -- Issue when OLE was first removed was a major explosion of the "chicken skin" rash he has on the outsides of his upper arms, which has reduced considerably in the several years I have been doing biomedical [this child will get a rash here when ANYTHING biomedical is amiss], but a lingering amount still remained, which was a LARGE amount when I removed the OLE. As I increased the Lauricidin, the rash diminished, but still remained. However, he also developed a bad case of the "chewies", which we had not seen since earlier in our biomedical journey, and I sure did NOT miss it! But he was suddenly chewing on everything again, destroying toys and books, etc. Giving enzymes with the Lauricidin appeared to help somewhat, adding zinc did nothing. I gave him a clean large rubber band to save our possessions from destruction, he chewed on that CONSTANTLY for about 2 weeks. Adding OLE reduced the rash somewhat more, but the chewies remained in full force. I dropped the Lauricidin earlier this week, kept the OLE [and am increasing it] and about 8 hours after his last dose of Lauricidin, he put the rubber band in the trash and proclaimed "all done".

#2 -- Issues when OLE was first removed were that he stopped being interested in his new LeapFrog toy, and the dollhouse. He only wanted to play with his trains. Slightly less spontaneous language. As I added and increased the Lauricidin, he would become more interested in these toys, but not like he had been with OLE. Giving enzymes with the Lauricidin appears to help somewhat [Zyme Prime plus No-Fenol]. Also, strangely, he became a little giggly, so I gave 1-2 drops of GSE, which helped. [For some reason, Lauricidin seems to give him yeast, which he has not had in about a year. Or perhaps it is viral die off, altho I did not know GSE could help with that, and GSE did not help the other two kids with their issues above.] I added back OLE, and he was again very interested in playing with these toys, as well as imitating and pretend play. I removed OLE again, just to check, and before the day was over, he was back to playing with only trains again. Back on the OLE, things were better again. Yesterday I did an experiment and only gave him his Lauricidin/GSE/OLE in the morning, and did not give him his mid-day dose [we were out of the house at the time]. After lunch, he started getting giggly and spacy, and when we got home, he went straight for his room and his trains, lined them up, and ran his face down the line! ARGH! I gave him his Lauricidin/GSE/OLE, and about 30 minutes later he came out of his room and played with his LeapFrog toy in the living room until #3 gave him a play phone and they called each other for a while after that.

I have suspicions that #2 does not tolerate the Lauricidin, just like #3 and #4 did not, but I am hesitant to remove it at this point in time. It appears to be helping as well as causing certain problems. When I give him Lauricidin, he has more spontaneous language than when I remove it, but when I give it, he is also "somewhat" more likely to line up toys and wave objects in front of his eyes. He is easily redirected, whereas usually when he makes lines and waves objects he is NOT easily redirected, but I don't like having to see these things again after going so long without seeing them. But I will give the Lauricidin a few more weeks, unless I see other negatives which outweigh these positives. I will DEFINITELY keep the OLE!

[Update: I removed the Lauricidin from my #2 and the negatives disappeared. The improvements continued!]

It is possible that the negatives I saw with Lauricidin were viral die off, rather than intolerance, but my kids have NEVER had ANY sort of die off symptoms from anything, they just improve. The ONLY possible die off symptom I have ever seen, was when measles virus finally broke for #2, he had a runny bm that ran down his leg and all over his shoes. But even if this is die off, I gave it 2 weeks, and I am not willing to continue "indefinitely" with these negatives. My kids do NOT do well with activated charcoal.

It does appear that the OLE is addressing most of my kids' viral issues.

Update: Other anti-viral

I had been experimenting with OLE doses with #2, #3, and #4. I discovered that #4's eye issues went away with just anti-viral, and she did not need daily OLE. I can't give her any vitamin A, or she will develop the toxicity rash. I give her 2 pellets Lauricidin, plus a little GSE [see below], and this works well.

For #3, he needs a little vitamin A, and 10 pellets Lauricidin with a few drops GSE, once per day to keep reducing his viral skin rash. He still has a rash on his outer upper arms, but it is significantly reduced and going away a little more each day. He is now speaking in complete sentences and answering questions! I discovered that adding back Carnosine has also helped his language ability.

For #2, he needs about 1250 IU vitamin A per day. Any less, or more, will cause a return of the visuals. For OLE, I had been gradually increasing it until he was on 1000 mg 3x per day. This was working very well, altho I was seeing some viral die off symptoms. He did not have die off symptoms when I treated him for yeast or bacteria, he would just improve. But for both measles virus and for whatever other viruses he also has, he is experiencing die off. [For measles virus die off symptoms, click here.] With OLE, he started developing a random itchy rash on his arms and legs. A much different looking rash than the vitamin A toxicity rash, and not quite as itchy. But I kept with the OLE because he was doing so well, altho he did get yeast again.


Wow this yeast problem is much worse than when I was chelating! My son has not had a yeast problem since about round 50 of chelation, now it is back and with a vengeance! I have to give GSE 3x per day, just to keep yeast under control. Otherwise his visual stims return. I never had to give this much GSE for yeast, even early on with ALA. I am considering dropping the dose of OLE, altho last time I tried that he regressed.

I occasionally add back Lauricidin to see if he has started tolerating it. Well, I tried a few days ago, and he appears to tolerate it now with Zyme Prime enzyme, altho the combination of OLE and Lauricidin REALLY gets the yeast going! WOW this is nasty!

Monday night [about 3 days after I started Lauricidin with the OLE again], #2 went to bed just like normal, but about 5 minutes after I put him in bed, he started crying. Really major sobbing, like he was emotionally very very very sad about something. I took him out of bed and rocked him to sleep. Tuesday morning he woke up and WOW, that must have been the viral die off from whatever this particular virus was that OLE/Lauricidin was addressing. Today, I gave less OLE than usual, and less GSE, and the yeast is NOT nearly as strong, and his visuals are ENTIRELY GONE [altho I have said that before, and a few days later something ELSE triggers them, but this time I am VERY HOPEFUL]. He does not even try to do his visuals, it is like he has entirely forgotten all about them.

The rash is less itchy today. He has lots more play and social interaction. He is much less defiant [he had been going thru a phase where he answered every question and request with the word "no", even if he wanted it]. Much more cooperative, even doing things in advance of us telling him so. And his language is EXPLODING again!!

I reduced the OLE to 500 mg 3x per day, but his language reduced, he stopped walking around wearing my shoes, and he started writing letters in the air again and covering his ears again. So back to 1000 mg OLE 3x per day. All the previous gains are back. Yeast is somewhat more manageable than previously with this dose of OLE.

[Summary of Lauricidin experience]: For #2, I gave 5 pellets 3x per day. At first he did not tolerate it, even with enzymes [Zyme Prime]. But after a month, I tried again, and this time he tolerated it with enzymes [no intolerance symptoms] but the viral die off caused major yeast after about a week on it. But if I addressed the yeast, the benefits were amazing. If I drop the OLE, he will regress, so he needs both.

The amount of GSE I was giving was too much, in my opinion, so I dropped Lauricidin to 2 pellets 3x per day. A week was fine, but then the yeast started back again. So I thought, if I have to fight yeast throughout this entire process, no matter how much Lauricidin I give, I might as well speed up the process. I went to 1/2 scoop 3x per day, and again a week was okay, then the yeast got bad again. But hey, if I have to give lots of GSE for 2 pellets or 1/2 scoop, at least at the 1/2 scoop, he is much more interactive, so I think the virus is dying off faster. Or at least I *hope* the virus is dying off faster. Not that a virus dies, but whatever....

I have him now at one scoop 3x per day. A rather high amount of GSE also. I added a little oil of oregano, to see if it was more effective on this type of yeast, and apparently it is. So now I reduced the amount of GSE, and added a few drops of oil of oregano, and things are going very well.

Someone who was using Lauricidin and had her child tested for yeast, gave me information from the test results that indicated that perhaps uva ursi and/or garlic might work better than GSE. So I added a little of both, but with experimentation, it appears that the uva ursi is working well, along with GSE and oil of oregano. If I drop any of these three, the yeast will come back slightly.

My son is 8 years old now.


Anti-viral update [approx 3 months later than last update]

After much experimentation, I had determined that my son does best with the following daily supplements: [I give the vitamins in am and the other things am and pm,]: Lauricidin and OLE [anti-viral], GSE and uva ursi [anti-fungals because anti-virals cause yeast], B-50 with extra B-12 and folic acid, cal/mag, Zyme Prime and No-Fenol enzymes with supplements only. I give TwinLabs Allergy A at very low dose 1-2x per week, and ALA [maintenance chelator/anti-oxidant] at low dose about 2x per week.

I have information about biotin [a B vitamin which is at low dose in the B-50]. Symptoms of biotin deficiency include alopecia [hair falling out], skin rashes, Candida dermatitis, unusual odor to the urine, immune deficiencies, muscle weakness and movement issues, OCD, seizures, and loss of visual acuity. ALA can also cause biotin deficiency [it competes with biotin for the same absorption sites], and my kids are fully chelated with ALA. Plus, my kids still have issues with rashes, some OCD, and minor visual issues.

Also, similar to No-Fenol enzyme which helps break down the yeast cell wall and therefore helps kill yeast, protease enzymes like Peptizyde appear to break down the outer coating of viruses, allowing the anti-virals to work better.

I added biotin [with magnesium, because biotin does tend to deplete magnesium] about 2 weeks ago. Then, about 2 days after I added the biotin, I added Peptizyde enzyme.

For my #2, when I was doing the high dose vitamin A protocol for measles virus, I had added olive leaf extract for extra anti-viral properties. About an hour after the second dose of OLE, my son had a major nasty runny bm all down his leg. This apparently was measles virus breaking, because he developed the toxicity rash immediately thereafter, and ever since that day, I have not been able to give him more than about 250-500 IU of vitamin A *per week*, otherwise he gets symptoms of toxicity plus his visuals will return. Well, after the second dose of Peptizyde along with the other anti-virals, he had a major nasty runny bm that ran all down his leg. I continued the supplements as indicated above, for #2, #3, and #4, for about 3 days, but soon discovered they were regressing, so I dropped the anti-virals. More improvements. I then dropped the vitamins and enzymes, more improvements.

So now my kids get cal/mag, biotin, and extra magnesium [for the biotin] 1x per day. I am also continuing the ALA and the sprinkle of vitamin A 1-2x per week. I might experiment with adding the B vitamins back at lower doses, but maybe not. Here are the observations from the last few weeks. Because I did these two supplements so close together, I really don't know whether it was virus finally being eliminated, or the addition of biotin, which caused the improvements, altho sometimes I have clues as to which one [or both] might have been the cause:

#4: The rash on the backs of her thighs, which had required anti-virals to keep it away, is now entirely gone. Also, before chelation, her right eye would wander outward. When she was looking at me, her left eye would look directly at me, but the right one was looking noticeably outward. This improved when I removed foods and supplements she did not tolerate, and when I addressed her yeast issues. Then, after chelation, her eye was MUCH better, altho it was still *slightly* outward. After adding Peptizyde and biotin, within 24 hours her eye is now looking directly at me, just like the other eye. I took some biotin for myself, but I did not notice any difference. However, when I stopped it, I noticed that it is very difficult to focus my eyes now, so I will add it back and see if that is the cause.

She also had the very annoying behavior of asking a question and then, if the response was not forthcoming in less than .00001 millisecond, of asking the question AGAIN. This behavior is now about 85% gone.

#3: Always had major rash issues on his upper arms, which have been significantly reduced by several things, most recently anti-virals. The lingering rash he had, is now gone. Improved language, he is using the pronoun "my" now, plus experimenting with using words he hears in conversations and other words which he has formerly not used before. Also asks "Mommy, what's that?" a lot. He is much easier to understand, altho still not 100% understandable in all conversations. And sometimes he will hesitate before the word comes out. Also more-actively seeks out his sister to play, he will go up to her and say "let's go play trucks".

In the past several months, he had started scripting videos. Not in place of using his own words, but more like to relieve boredom, or as a desired form of interactive play with #2. They would take turns reciting videos. This behavior is now 95% gone.

#2: The first time, about a month ago, that I tried removing anti-virals, he was VERY hyper, especially in the evening. This time, after removing the anti-virals, he is LESS hyper, and in fact he is CALM. It is very difficult to describe. Previously, he was always "at the ready", like his muscles were always ready to run or jump. But now, he can actually SAUNTER when he walks. And he can sit in a chair and seem to melt right into the chair. Just relaxed and calm. And more purposeful movements. Very strange.

Once #3 stopped reciting videos, #2 stopped also. He also has much more social interest, and about 85% of the time, he would prefer to be playing with someone else, rather than by himself. He had also been slightly defiant, saying "no" when I would make requests to help me carry in groceries or other tasks, but now he enjoys helping and even asks me if I will let him help.

He goes out to get the mail from the mailman every day. Before, he would just stand there with the other kids, and take whatever mail he was given. For the past few days, he has said "Hi mailman, you have mail?" and when he is given a stack of mail, he says "thank you". He is much more understandable now, altho in most situations his voice still sounds slightly mechanical or forced, and he slurs words most of the time. But at least other people can now understand him most of the time, and he is using longer phrases than usual. Plus, he will talk "just because", not just when he wants to make a request or when he and #3 were scripting videos.

Right after the major messy bm, he developed a new stim that he never had before, he sucked his lower lip. That stim was recently discussed on one of my message boards, so I searched on it and that child's other symptoms were indicative of yeast for my kids, but one person said it was viral for her child. I kept the Peptizyde and anti-virals for a few more days, and this stim disappeared on the third day. Also, his occasional desire to write letters in the air is about 95% reduced.

Also, very nice increase in focus and attention span. I don't have to call his name 2x every time I want to tell him something, and sometimes I don't have to call his name at all. He will listen when I am talking to another child, and even interrupt my discussions with the other kids. He can sit and do activities without a lot of redirection, maybe 85% of the time.

I am really getting tired of all the sibling rivalry going on around here tho. Noone will be playing with a toy or reading a book, or using the swings, but then one child will play with it or swing, and then suddenly all three of them will be fighting over it. But it is much better than everyone doing their own thing [at least, that is what I keep telling myself LOL].

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